I, Borg

Page 609... DH..

Moldy Voldy says: "I know that you are preparing to fight." There were screams amongst the students, some of whom clutched each other, looking around in terror for the source of the sound. "Your efforts are futile. You cannot fight me. I do not want to kill you. I have great respect for the teachers of Hogwarts. I do not want to spill magical blood."

In other words.. "You will be assimilated!"

This actually makes the best sense I can come up with for why in the heck Rowling would name Hermione's kid Hugo.

I, Borg .... was called Hugh, remember? Too bad we don't get to see... "We are Hugh."

Albus' Quotes that Make Sense Now:

From Philosopher's Stone:

To Minerva McGonagall: "Famous before he can walk and talk! Famous for something he won't even remember! Can't you see how much better off he'll be, growing up away from all that until he's ready to take it?" (PS1)

To Harry: "It does not do to dwell on dreams, and forget to live, rememeber that." (PS12)

"After all, to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." (PS17)

"The truth is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution." (PS 17)

From Chamber of Secrets:

To Harry: "It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." (CoS18)

From Prisoner of Azkaban:

To Harry: "You think the dead we loved ever truly leave us? You don't think we recall them more clearly than ever in times of great trouble? Your father is alive in you, Harry, and shows himself plainly when you have need of him. How else could you produce that particular Patronus? Prongs rode again last night." (PoA22)

From Goblet of Fire:

Dumbledore looked very intensely at Harry for a moment, and then said, "I have a theory, no more than that ...It is my belief that your scar hurts both when Lord Voldemort is near you, and when he is feeling a particularly strong surge of hatred."

"But ... why?"

"Because you and he are connected by the curse that failed," said Dumbledore. "That is no ordinary scar." (GoF 30)


"What made you think he'd really stopped supporting Voldemort, Professor?"

Dumbledore held Harry's gaze for a few seconds, and then said, "That, Harry, is a matter between Professor Snape and myself." (GoF30)

At that moment, Harry fully understood for the first time why people said Dumbledore was the only wizard Voldemort had ever feared. The look upon Dumbledore's face as he peered down at the unconscious form of Mad-Eye Moody was more terrible than Harry could have ever imagined. There was no benign smile upon Dumbledore's face, no twinkle in the eyes behind the spectacles. There was cold fury in every line of the ancient face; sense of power radiated from Dumbledore as though he were giving off burning heat. (GoF35)

When Harry told of Wormtail piercing his arm with the dagger, however, Sirius let out a vehement exclamation and Dumbledore stood up so quickly he that Harry started. Dumbledore walked around the desk and told Harry to stretch out his arm. Harry showed them both the place where his robes were torn and the cut beneath them. "He said my blood would make him stronger than if he'd used someone else's." Harry told Dumbledore. "He said the protection my --my mother left in me --he'd have it too. And he was right --he could touch me without hurting himself. He touched my face."

For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes. (GoF36)

To Cornelius Fudge: "You are blinded," said Dumbledore, his voice rising now, the aura of power around him palpable, his eyes blazing once more, "by the love of the office you hold, Cornelius! You place too much importance, and you always have done, on the purity of blood! You fail to recognize that it matters not what someone is born, but what they grow up to be!" (GoF36)

"It is my belief -- and never have I so hoped that I am mistaken -- that we are all facing dark and difficult times. Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right and what is easy, remember what happened to a boy who was good, and kind, and brave, because he strayed across the path of Lord Voldemort. Remember Cedric Diggory." (GoF37)

My Take on Dumbledore, before the book

karlii26:
Veritas Vox Vocis
I do not think that DD is the Veritas Vox Vocis (voice of truth). DD wanted Harry to go to lessons with Snape. To facilitate this, Harry had to have a modicum of trust for the teacher. Or respect for DD's authority. Since we know Harry didn't trust Severus.. Harry had to then, have some respect yet, for DD's authority. When Harry began to question this authority.. DD brushed him off.. saying "I trust Severus Snape." No doubt DD was 'projecting' feelings of trust or whatever you want to call it. DD really NEEDED Harry to go to these lessons. DD, being an accomplished legilimens.. could have seen right away that Harry was in trouble with Voldy. As such.. shouldn't DD also be an accomplished Occlumens? If DD was an accomplished Occlumens... what was the big worry about Harry looking at him? Sure, Harry got a bit violent feeling when he saw DD.. but that would have helped, initially, to get Harry to try harder to Occlude. They might have been able to HELP him early on like that. But no.... DD made his spy give lessons on occlumency to Harry... knowing full well that Harry could not protect his mind from Voldy. This seems like a breach in security, if you ask me. DD couldn't risk Voldy getting into his mind via Harry.. ok.. but then to risk Sev's position? Unlikely. I think they both knew full good and well, that Voldy would see Sev 'teaching' Harry, and that THAT fact was factored into their plan. If McG.. or Flitwick.. or Bill Weasley.... or anyone else had taught Harry Occlumency, it'd be a good bet that Harry would have paid more attention and tried harder. If DD had explained more fully the ramifications of Voldy getting into Harry's head.. Harry might have tried harder. I do not believe DD's "cop out" story that he was just a blind old man.. too caught up in his love of Harry, to see the truth about how much Harry and Sev didnt' get along. Therefore, I do not think that TRULY teaching Harry to block his mind, was the objective at all. Even if Hagrid WAS on DD's side.. he still could have been part of this whole deal of opening Harry's mind. Think of what Hagrid said.. "Some say he died.. Codswollop, imo" (or words to that effect.. the book isn't by me right now). DD knew that Voldemort wasn't dead. What if DD decided that in order to gain more intelligence on the whereabouts/movements of Voldy.. he wanted to explore the possibility that a link between Harry and Tom existed. DD certainly didn't have any other way of knowing where Voldy was, did he? Sev's mark apparently didn't twinge when Tom was stuck on the back of Quirrell's head... so that wasn't a reliable means of detection... Obviously, any Foe Glasses, Sneak-o-Scopes, or other Dark detectors weren't showing anything when it came to Quirrell. Or not enough for anyone to question.. beyond his exposure to the dark elements in his fights??? I don't think she'll say that DD exploited Harry's link to Voldy.. but I see it as a possibility.. given the 'facts' we have. Back, for a minute to the idea that DD must have known that Sev's position would be seen by Voldemort, via Harry. Knowing that... and having those lessons go fwd anyhow.. speaks of the manipulation of events that has occurred. The pensieve memory also.. was designed to make Harry see Sev in a more sympathetic light. Snape could have done that, to have Harry feel poorly about his father and Sirius... OR..... DD could even have suggested it, knowing Harry would be too curious not too look (DD knew he did it before)... and I could see then, that DD hoped to facilitate more understanding for Sev/Harry. Was Sev's temper tantrum all an act? It was questioned before, as it was not a 'normal' tantrum for him... All designed to draw Harry into the scene.. believe it more fully... No.. I do not trust DD at all. I think he is for the side against Voldy, sure.. and that he has manipulated Harry and the Gang into position... but as the Veritas Vox Vocis? No. *ducks flames*_________________
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:45 pm


karlii26:
Overall, given the discussion Hagrid 'overheard' between Snape and DD, then any arguments Snape had were brushed off by DD, and he told Snape he would have to follow the plan through... irregardless of Sev's feelings on the matter. It happened once, in canon.. so it could have happened before. I think DD could have been calling on some VOW he had with Severus. That explains why he trusted him. It explains why Sev had to follow DD's instructions. (yes, we have been down this road). It could be said that Snape was merely taunting Harry at the end. ...I say, that I don't see how Snape could have 'gotten where he is', if he can't control his emotions better than that. But if Severus Snape really WANTS to help Harry.... and he is somehow constrained by DD from doing so, then he might have had to couch his words..... I say, he was trying to still help Harry with the advice. Now, think even back to the Quidditch game where Snape had to officiate. He was white-knuckled when it was over. Harry had just 'dive-bombed' past him to get the Snitch. I didn't get the impression that Sev was very comfortable on the broom to begin with. Harry thought he was just being an evil git.. but it also points to being scared to go up on the broom. DD actually attended that game, which was unusual enough, based on the remarks from Harry's teammates. It makes me think that DD told Snape to go up on the broom, to protect Harry from the air, or look for enemies, or something. This is another example of Severus having to do something he didn't want to, based on DD's vow with him, or hold over him. Actually, I hadn't compared this scene with the 'Lightning-Struck Tower' before, but there are some similarities, now that I think of it. So, maybe in the end, it was Snape trying to help Harry, going around the bond. Maybe DD was dead then, and the bond was negated.. or maybe DD wasn't dead yet.. and Snape still had to be careful how he said things. But I think he was trying to help Harry. Did Snape ever LIE to Harry? *holds fire extinguisher and Augamenti charm at ready* LOL_________________
What ever happened to _______??? *waits for bk8*
Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:01 pm


mrs fawlty:
I don't think Snape ever lied to Harry - only by omission, with regard to whatever he thought or felt about Lily: she is NEVER mentioned by Snape. I'm not even convinced that he lies habitually to anyone, though it does depend on how you read his weasel words to Bellatrix and to Draco, and I don't mind if people want to disagree with this opinion! My guess is that the relationship behind closed doors between Dumbledore and Snape is quite stormy, since I imagine their 'Harry Policy' differs substantially. I was quite happy in this opinion till book 6, when Snape suddenly gives out a mild series of detentions instead of expulsion to Harry for what anyone would call serious misconduct. I'd always thought Snape wanted him at Privet Drive where he was safe. Of course, time marches on, and with Voldy on the loose again, and Snape knowing (does he?) that DD will soon be dead, the safety of Privet Drive isn't what it was, especially as the protection it offers runs out next birthday. Speaking of time and birthdays, must get busy: JKR kindly elected to release DH on my *birthday, and I'm organizing a celebration for tomorrow evening prior to lining up at the bookshop, so there's potato salad to make, and a grill to clean.... see you in line! *It's my birthday and I'll cry if I want to??_________________
'...no practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences.' - Terry Pratchett
Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:38 pm


karlii26:
Yes, Snape's attitude toward Harry differed in bk6, didn't it? Or it seemed to. I figure he was bluffing when he clamored for Harry's expulsion. Sort of part of the act, wasn't it? At least, that's how I see it. But when it came down to it in the end, Snape kept Harry close at hand... apparently not even telling McG or DD about the Sectumsempra incident. I can't see what good the blood wards are, beings Tom used Harry's blood in his rebirthing ritual. But there must be SOMEthing to it. We'll see tomorrow night! I think Snape is the ultimate Spin Doctor. He can take the words of truth.. and make them say what he wants people to hear. Then, he can take the same words, and make a different group of people hear something different. All the same words. That'w what Spinners End was about, I think. He didn't say anything until Cissy or Bella did. Then, he didn't really SAY it was so... just that wasn't that what the Dark Lord thought? People take assumptions and make astounding leaps of logic all the time!! LMAO.. just look at us!! By the way... HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Mrs. Fawlty!!_________________
What ever happened to _______??? *waits for bk8*
Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:50 pm


greyniffler:
I think that the (ahem) riddle of why DD didn't look at Harry is answered by what happened in the Ministry: it invited Voldemort to take over Harry in order to attack Dumbledore, in Voldemort's hope that Dumbledore would strike back. Now that's not as complete an explanation as I would like, but I think yo uhave to look past it if you are going to ask questions. As to the NYT: the Grey Lady is continuing her descent to Bag Lady. I don't know if either Scholastic or Bloomsbury has any standing to sue, but I hope so. I think I can also guess which newspaper will get neither ads nor review copies from either of them._________________... and then you just have to play algebra ...
Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:45 pm


karlii26:
Greyniffler... I understand what you mean about fearing that the Dark Lord would possess Harry, and that would encourage DD to have no alternative but to attack him. However, the alternate actions taken by Dumbledore seem be nearly as 'horrific' anyway. It seems that to have just looked Harry in the eye, and dealt with it, would have been the short action.

In other words... dealing with Voldemort possessing Harry, mere weeks after his resurrection, seems like a better opportunity for victory, than waiting months for him to build up his strength. In the grand scheme of things, it appears that Dumbledore thought that delaying the inevitable (Tom possessing Harry) was a good/viable tactic.

Harry's mind was wide open to Tom, and Dumbledore knew it. (hence, he wouldn't look at him). Yet he put Severus in front of Harry, ostensibly to train him to block Voldy out. This means that Severus was expendable, in Dumbledore's organization. Or Severus was using that as dis-information.
Which, if it was DIS-information, then Dumbledore was behind it or in on it. Which indicates to me, that Dumbledore didn't really care how much or how fast Harry learned, as it all furthered DD's goals of eliciting information on Voldemort's movements. Perhaps even checking the veractiy of Severus' reports from meetings.

Harry was manipulated emotionally, by Voldemort, in bk5. But he was manipulated emotionally by Dumbledore all along. Left in an abusive home and ignored for ten years. Manipulated into attaining the prejudices of the Light side.. when indeed he was a blank slate.... (not that he shouldn't BE on the Light side.. merely that he was masterfully played.) Alternately shown favoritism and ridicule... Pushed beyond normal magical limits for his age... only to be ignored once again.. yet played like a violin. Shown memories to shake his foundation.. pushed into working with Snape... only to be told "it's just that I loved you too much"... (call out the advocates! That's pretty scarey stuff!).

Oh.. and then.. "I'm just an old man... you can forgive that can't you?"

*hands out handkies* Whatever..

Then.. in bk6, we see Dumbledore actually seem to treat Harry with a little respect. SEEM being the key word. He still ignored him.. he still kept him in the dark.. he still did not bother to SHOW Harry what he would need to know, in order to work with these adult wizards.. No... He used Harry in some sort of sub-plot of his own... keeping it all hush-hush.. and not able to tell Harry who his contacts would be, in case DD died. Now.. I know DD knew he was going to die. Yet he only left Harry with the option of Ron and Hermione. Children who hadn't finished school yet. The only thing they have attained, is the opportunity to apperate. I still say that would indicate that DD has an alternate plan running simultaneously. He'd about have to, eh? ........I think that is what Sev is up to.

Ok.. enough Dumbles-bashing.. I don't know what's gotten into me. But the more I look at this, the more I see his crafty plots. *stands in line quietly now*_________________
What ever happened to _______??? *waits for bk8*
Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:22 pm


greyniffler:
quote:
Originally posted by caseyanndigger: [...] Everyone had to be viewed as expendable -- Dumbledore was fighting a war. [...] The goal was to defeat Voldemort, for the sake of all the innocent lives that should be spared.
I'm still of the mind that the stakes might be bigger, that even Voldemort is only the face of some older, greater evil. Book 3 is about mistaken roles (as opposed to mistaken identities) and I expect that Book 7 will have at least one major surprise in who has played what role._________________
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:57 am


karlii26:
Casetanndigger said: It would not have been a good idea to attack Voldemort while he was possessing Harry. The Horcruxes are still out there, remember?

I concur.. but that is not what I was talking about. I meant, if they had just DEALT with Voldemort possessing Harry earlier, then Voldemort might not have been as strong. Harry might have actually learned occlumency at that time. It just strikes me that Dumbledore's action on the matter was, in reality, more of a 'non-action'.

I'm not saying that Dumbledore sat in his office like a twisted freak. I'm saying he isn't a benevolant kindly old grandfather. He WAS a general in a war. But that doesn't allow me to condone his behavior.

They weren't in active warfare for the entire ten years Harry lived with the Dursleys. As far as him keeping things from Harry. Certainly, there are many, many things that are 'need to know'. But he is staking the fate of the Wizarding World on this kid. The kid should at least have a new mentor to turn to. Even if he doesn't choose to tell Harry all the members of the Order, or who the other spy in the DE is... There are things he could have done differently, to facilitate the maneuvers he needed.

As to what Dumbledore's motivations were. Hmm... I'd like to think he DID have the wizarding world in his best interests... but does the end always justify the means?

I just see a few opportunities for healing emotional wounds.. that, if Dumbledore truly cared for people.. he might have taken advantage of.. much sooner. It strikes me, that perhaps in his old age, he forgot that he was fallible.

Used to pulling the strings, he could have forgotten that the puppets might not appreciate the dance._________________
What ever happened to _______??? *waits for bk8*
Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:03 am

Deathly Hallows

Well now, that was interesting.

The post I put up on the seventeenth is about to be updated with huge spoilers... so don't go there, if you don't want to know.

Oh.... and here is a spoiler for you.... right here.. right now...

Kreacher Rocks!!!

Here we go....

Disclaimer: I am not Rowling. I am not scholastic or anyone else. I haven't read the book. I haven't seen the book. I haven't seen SCAN'S of the book. If I've gotten any of this right, it is due to 'good sleuthing' over @ New Clues Forums... or Dumb Luck.

I've got to say, that I have thought several times about getting on here and posting more of my theories. There is a lot to think about.

Recently, I realized I had not been thinking 'outside the box' when it comes to the Founders. People think she could be part-centaur.... but I think she could be 'Goblinish'. I have also come to the conclusion.. all on my own.. before today.. (see my New Clues Forum posts, for verification of the dates)... that Ravenclaw's relic is a tiara... either the one in the Room of Requirement, or Great-Auntie Muriel's. yes

I find, though, that I'm afraid.. if I guess anything with too much accuracy, that some of these weird "powers that be" would try to sue me or something. Not LOL, either. I look at what Scholastic has been up to.. and it creeps me out.

None-the-less, I am going to post some final thoughts... and I hope I'll think to continue to do this for the next couple of days.

Draco, again... while he likely IS a death eater.. is most certainly a werewolf. not werewolf that we see...

Severus Snape is good. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hagrid, McG, or Flitwick (if not all) is bad. No, on all counts.. *drat*

Bill will be the new DADA teacher...Nope... (or Sev will be exonerated, and return) kinda

Griphook is on the cover with Harry yes!!!... not Dobby.... maybe Kreacher. close

Aberforth and Albus, if not the same person... have been impersonating each other. And while Albus will remain dead.. it might be... that he actually died a while ago, and Abe has been 'impersonating' him all along. nope

Arthur had been under the Imperius curse before... likely due to something Lucius did. we aren't told

Lucius will die. Arthur and/or Molly will die. Severus will die. Hermione or Ron will die. Maybe both. If not.. Fred will die.. maybe Percy too.

Let's see... It'll be a 'bloodbath', eh?

Harry will defeat Voldy.. and Harry will "pass over" for a while. I dunno if he will stay dead.. but I have the feeling he'll see his dead people again.

OH.. and Remus will die... Last of the Mauraders.. etc. Which means Tonks will probably die too. Moody for sure...

Who's left?

Neville will be a hero. Luna? Hmm.. we don't see her b-day do we? She'll probably die. no to Luna

Sprout will die.. maybe by shards of glass when her greenhouse is attacked. nope

Sinistra will fall off the tower. I know, it's been done.. but hey.. it fits! nope

Trelawney is not a fraud.. she's just got that curse so no one will believe her. don't know about the curse.. but she's got a mean serve!!

The centaurs, goblins and house elves will all play huge roles in helping Harry finish his tasks.Not how I thought... but still yes

I hope the epilogue is Harry's birthday party when he's twenty-seven yrs old. I really hope so. About nine years and 32 days off...

It'd be nice if Ron and Hermione make it... Everyone didn't die in LotR.. nor in the Belgariad.

I cannot figure out a good reason for Dumbledore to have had that damned Invisibility Cloak. IF James left it with him... just how long before he died... did he leave it? Did he leave it on purpose? Or did he forget it/misplace it.... and DD 'conveniently' forgot to give it back? Did James lend it to the Order? But why not get it back, then, when your wife and child need hiding?

Who... or what... could have been THAT important? Trelawney... Snape... Ginny.... Luna... who might have been important to hide.. that summer? Neville? But that was AFTER James had died...None of the above... DD was just as big of bastard as I have ever made him out to be....

What artifact? What was going on... at that time? Not the Philosopher's Stone.. And if an artifact HAD been that important.. why didn't DD tell Harry? ahh... now we get to the crux of the matter, don't we? an artifact WAS the reason DD had it... and the reason he DIDN'T tell Harry...

No, I think it has to be a "who". Tonks would only have been eight years old. I can see hiding a child. But was she showing signs of her skill, at that age? Did they need to hide her?

So that remains a mystery to me. Another one... is just who is Snape's son? Rowling said that Snape does not have a daughter. Personally, I like Severitus... and it'd be cool if Snape was Harry's father. I don't see it in reality though. This'll have to be something for bk8!!

I've heard a few murmurings that perhaps Regulus and Snape worked together.. nope.. I suppose this could be true. IF Regulus is R.A.B.

It is pretty 'obvious', maybe too obvious. Oh... and Regulus' middle name is Arcturus. That's my fine guess.

I find the Masons in bk2, to be highly suspicious. I think they were the Malfoys. I think they were shocked to discover Harry Potter really there... and were afraid the ministry owl was for them... because they'd broken some sort of ward or something. Dobby bowed when they came in the door... and it is obvious Malfoy knew where Harry lived.. as Dobby knew. I guess Dobby could have used elf magic to go on his own... but I think Malfoy knew all along where Harry was. Dobby didn't come out and show himself until the very day the Mason's arrived. ............there IS no coincidence. don't see it... waiting for bk8

Hagrid, imo, WAS the first one to start to open Harry's mind to the Dark Lord. I think Voldy's wand was hidden in the pink umbrella. I think Hagrid took it when he picked up Harry. I think Pettigrew got it from Hagrid, when he was down in Hagrid's hut.. in PoA. I still think this...

I think Minerva let the demenotors get to BartyJr on purpose I think this too... but for different reasons?.. not for revenge.. but to safeguard their secrets.

Cissy would kill Bella to protect Draco.. if it comes to that. I think she could.. but Molly beat her to it. Cissy did come through for Draco though.. so I get one point for getting right, but two halves differently...

I think the fox Bella killed in Bk6... was an animagus.. (dunno who.. or if it matters).

If Hagrid is evil.. he has a dark lord weapon (Grawp), right there on the grounds.. keeping the centaurs riled up and pre-occupied. Doesn't look like it... And I already think the centaurs will be 'good'. Finally!!

I think McG started there, as the DADA teacher when Tom didn't get the job. She obviously switched to Transfiguration.. don't know

In Bk1... McG was not a trusted member of the Order. She barely knew Albus. But she knew Hagrid very well. Do we see McG at Grimmauld Place? She certainly wasn't one of 'the old crowd'. Hagrid kisses McG, in Bk1.. and McG only giggles. Hagrid told her he was going to bring Harry to #4 Privet Drive. Or at least, that he was going to end up there. She must have had a BIG reason to stay there ALL DAY.. and miss all the parties. Not to mention.. who was at the school? Flitwick? Slughorn? Sprout? No.. there is something verrrry amiss about that first scene.

Why is Petunia So scared in bk5? There is more than meets the eye with this one. As far as 'that awful boy'? I believe it to be Severus. Got that one right!

Who will do magic? Filch or Figg. I'm still trying to figure this one out... I'm not sure we see this..

Oh.. and Irma Pince= I am Prince. Which means that she is Eileen.. Severus' mother. I also think that Filch= Tobias. Which'd probably mean he is NOT the one to do magic.. but if Filch is not Tobias.. then I keep Argus in the running for using magic. Bk8....

Now, I suppose that'd be a good reason to hide someone under the invisibility cloak. Fake their deaths... using Draught of Living Death.. slip the cloak in the coffin.. and then when the bier flashes.. they apperate out under the cloak. hmmm... She's saving this for another story!

Ollivander has gone to ground hiding... and Fortescue.. I dunno. I remember he helded Harry with his history once.. (bk 3).. so there might be a clue there somewhere. Nope... on Ollivander.. I dunno what happened to Fortescue...

I didn't say it before.. but Pettigrew will die.. as he has a life debt to Harry... it'll come at a crucial moment. ........ yep on that one... Maybe Skeeter will die too... alas... no

The symbol on the book is a reference to Delphi. And the snake in the egg is a 'druid's egg'... symbolizing another kind of ritual. The dragon is Norbert... no, no and no

I know there is a bit more.. so I'll add it later....

again.. I am not Rowling.. I have not read bk7. I have not SEEN bk7. I have not seen SCAN'S of bk7. I am not part of scholastic. I am at home, on vacation.. and I will be in line to buy the book at midnight Friday night/12:01 Saturday... just like everyone else. IF I got anything right here.. it is either because of 'good sleuthing' @ the New Clues Forum... or plain Dumb Luck.